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I thought of your Yalie post when I read that Larry had been defenestrated by the Arts and Sciences faculty.

"This strategy of absenting yourself from the real world has many implications. Some of them are tragic. (The social sciences and humanities are now frightfully out of touch with some of the real compelling intellectual issues of our day. Too bad. They might have been useful.)"

Well said.

Even when Yale has a professional programme they manage to distance themselves from the real world -- their MBA programme was called, idiosyncratically, a Master of Public and Private Management (MPPM) when first launched.

Peter: Since when have the nonprofit and government sectors not been "the real world"? Having spent my career there I'd really like to know exactly when I entered the realm of fantasy.

Grant, your "Elis are from Venus, Cantabs are from Mars" trope misses one *highly* essentialy point: Yale College is much more fun than Harvard College. The solution, therefore, is to go to Yale as an undergrad, and then Harvard for graduate schools, as both I and President Bush have done.

Things may have changed since the 90s, but back then (at, say, a party) a Harvard undergrad would mention Harvard as often as possible, while a Yale undergrad would mention it last. ("Where do you go to college?" "New Haven.") The attitude was, hey, we're at this elite institution, but we're not going to be all superior about it.

Actually, this held in the late 90s at HBS, but in a different way. Men would "drop the H-bomb" by mentioning Harvard up front to impress potential romantic conquests. Women, on the other hand, would (and I oversimplify of course) try to avoid mentioning it all.

M E-L: I didn't say that nonprofits and government sectors are not in the real world. My point was that Yale University, by labeling their MBA degree as something which was not recognized by their target market, was acting like they lived in their own world. I understand that feedback from graduates and applicants, who got sick of explaining to potential employers that MPPM = MBA, led them to change the label.

Most reformers try to decentralize and empower, Summers tried to centralize power under his own command:

http://www.tpmcafe.com/node/27016

His remarks about 9/11, about Cornell West, about Israel, about women in science, etc., all provoked a lot of controversy on campus and off. After each and every one of those controversies, Summers was still President of the University.

Most recently, in an event of no interest to editorialists, Summers tried and succeeded to push William Kirby, the Dean of the Faculty of Arts and Sciences out of his job. In response, the Arts and Sciences Faculty pushed back and succeeded in pushing Summers out of his job.

You have, basically, a controversy over the administration of the University. Harvard has historically been a highly decentralized institution, and the President has had relatively little authority over the several faculties that together make up the University as a whole. Summers has been trying for years, in various ways, to increase the authority of his office and centralize the administration. One of the ways this has manifested itself has been an effort to force the faculties to pool their resources in order to pay for a big expansion into the Allston neighborhood across the river from Harvard Yard. This was a break with precedent, and the manner in which Summers wanted to do it was going to disadvantage the Arts and Sciences Faculty compared to other Faculties.

Successful empire building has to be more deft than that.

" But we judge ideas by the work they perform in the world, and this one helps explain a couple of things."

And yet Summers pushed Cornell West out the door for being too much of a public intellectual, and not spending enough time writing academic pieces. Similarly, he pushed Jeff Sachs out the door, at a time when Sachs' influence on the world was growing larger than ever before. Those were 2 of Harvard's 5 or so most famous professors.

Tim Burke agrees with both of us, but says it better than I could:

http://weblogs.swarthmore.edu/burke/?p=150

My first job out of business school was at a very prominent investment bank. Associates like me were expected to do much of the grunt work for the firm's MBA recruiting. We regarded it as another pain-in-the-ass responsibility that made long workdays even longer.

A vice president told me the work to screen resumes would go a lot faster if I simply tossed out everyone from the Yale SOM. It was one of three schools whose graduates were rarely cut out for Wall Street. (The other two were Kennedy School grads and anyone with a Brown Univ undergrad degree.)

Yale SOM types, I was informed, were nothing but trustfunders best suited to being business managers for struggling ballet companies.

A great piece of self-indulgent arrogant mindf...ing. Congradulations. Self-adi;atopms/ But that's one hell of a way to get off. Okay, Zeus, come off your mountain, but don't fall off!

pure pretentious drivel. Get over yourselves(all of you). The overpriced overrated Ivy cartel is more and more becoming a joke. Face it most Americans do not give a flip about overrated Ivy schools; esp. Harvard. It has had mostly rudderless leadership for nearly a half of a century. Most academic experts and the public see the University of Michigan as higher ed's true leader and has for years -whether its Mary Sue Coleman plugging national health care, Lee Bollinger before her leading UM in the historic US Supreme Court case that won the day for race as a factor in Adminissions, the announcement of the Slak polio vaccine, US Peace Corps, the Great society, etc.
This is not to say Harvard's "leadership" is all about a sexist neanderthal who had low sensitivity to race , women, or even the Palestinians. However...no Harvard undergrad has gone on to"become" a US president in nearly a half of century. Meanwhile all those cowering Yalies who are allegedly "afraid of Washington" have managed a Yalie alum in the pinnacle of power -the oval office- as a result of: the 2004 election,as well as: 2000, 1996, 1992, 1988, 1974, (Bush, Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Sr., and Ford ALL had at least one degree from : YALE). The article thus loses whatever cred it tried to muster. Harvard "wishes" it could be so powerful! Mostly, it's just overrated. In the Business world...the Ivy cartel as a whole has lost lots of steam for CEO positions in the Fortune 500. A recent article indicated that the University of Wisconsin now produces the most alums (undergrad) for Top CEO positions. Schools that are elite but "outside the 13 colonies" now command greater respect : Stanford, Berkeley, Michigan, Wisconsin, Northwestern, UCLA, Cal Tech, etc., etc., etc. The fact is the days of the NY Times publishing -front page- the names of Yalie graduates ended -rightly so- 50 years ago. The idea would be laughable if the NYT pulled such a stunt today. It loses money some years precisely because it- like Summers- is increasingly seen in more honest terms -OVERRATED- but of course this will not stop the remaining powerful sychophants in US NEWS from skewering data to propagandize the East coast overpriced "elites" annually in ragazines like US News. Eat it; Case closed.

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